The OFFICIAL tech stuff thread

Jam

Greedy bastards!

Fucking capitalists are destroying the world!

Kilemall

Here is the most important early computer company I never heard of before now……

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Gators1

This is crazy. Altman decides to work for M$, the former CEO of Twitch takes over Open AI (like what AI experience does he have?) and most of the company threatens to quit if the board doesn’t resign. Don’t think I have ever seen anything like it.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/openai-employees-threaten-to-quit-unless-board-resigns-bbd5cc86

tigger

@Gators1 said in The OFFICIAL tech stuff thread:

This is crazy. Altman decides to work for M$, the former CEO of Twitch takes over Open AI (like what AI experience does he have?) and most of the company threatens to quit if the board doesn’t resign. Don’t think I have ever seen anything like it.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/openai-employees-threaten-to-quit-unless-board-resigns-bbd5cc86

Not that crazy. OpenAI is almost 100% people that were poached from FB/Google/MS/Etc and the reason they left was because they wanted to get quickly rich and influential. They don’t have an office in Zurich so none of my close friends work there, but I have enough friends that would have gone there the second they opened an office. And they are really worshipping OpenAI and Altman at the moment.

Now what seems to be happening, from an outsider’s POV, is that Microsoft, the biggest investor, and the reason for the sharp growth of OpenAI’s value, poached the core of OpenAI, while keeping a large chunk of OpenAI’s earnings in the future. In other words, they are stuck in a company which may not be the main driver of AI in 2 quarters, and who’s PPU(stock) price is not very likely to grow if not drop. And comp is going to be > 50% PPU at higher levels.

tigger

Microsoft is essentially threatening to take OpenAI’s revenue as they are re-selling the APIs (IIRC for cheaper, in some settings), and the threat just got much more real.

Kilemall

@tigger said in The OFFICIAL tech stuff thread:

Microsoft is essentially threatening to take OpenAI’s revenue as they are re-selling the APIs (IIRC for cheaper, in some settings), and the threat just got much more real.

Heavens, a for profit corporation funds a startup, shocking that they would act on profit motives.

Gators1

The weird thing though is they invested billions in Open AI and then are pulling the leadership out of it. So if they have faith in Altman, why are they trying to hire him away? Unless they just want to lay claim to him for now and then figure out a way that he ends up running Open AI again? Or maybe they want to just pull the employees out and set them up under the M$ umbrella, but I think a lot of the people there believe in the “open” mission of the company and won’t want to make M$ richer. Still weirder is I have never seen the employees with the power to get the board to fire themselves.

@Gators1 said in The OFFICIAL tech stuff thread:

This is crazy. Altman decides to work for M$, the former CEO of Twitch takes over Open AI (like what AI experience does he have?) and most of the company threatens to quit if the board doesn’t resign. Don’t think I have ever seen anything like it.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/openai-employees-threaten-to-quit-unless-board-resigns-bbd5cc86

The threat was made in a letter to the board of directors and among the signees was Ilya Sutskever, the company’s chief scientist and one of the members of the four-person board that voted to oust Altman.

That part is the real wtf to me. Even if you discount the suggestions that he was the initiator of it, they almost certainly needed his vote to shitcan Altman in the first place.

Gators1

Trying to save himself when his little coup failed I guess. I would shitcan him first if Altman comes back.

tigger

@Gators1 said in The OFFICIAL tech stuff thread:

The weird thing though is they invested billions in Open AI and then are pulling the leadership out of it. So if they have faith in Altman, why are they trying to hire him away? Unless they just want to lay claim to him for now and then figure out a way that he ends up running Open AI again? Or maybe they want to just pull the employees out and set them up under the M$ umbrella, but I think a lot of the people there believe in the “open” mission of the company and won’t want to make M$ richer. Still weirder is I have never seen the employees with the power to get the board to fire themselves.

I think they can get a lot of employees from OpenAI. I don’t think bulk of the employees is in for AI safety. They are there because they can execute much faster than they did, and have higher comp.

tigger

According to some comp number online, OpenAI has roughly double salaries of the rest, with a bulk of it being in PPUs.

@tigger this was in the news a week ago:

OpenAI Attracts Top Google AI Talent with Lucrative $10 Million Pay Packages

Gators1

Even though I would be universally hated, I wish I knew math.

Lob12

Can you smart people here summarize for me who are the good/bad guys in this story? I’m kinda too lazy for this one.

@Lob12 said in The OFFICIAL tech stuff thread:

Can you smart people here summarize for me who are the good/bad guys in this story? I’m kinda too lazy for this one.

I decided a couple of days ago that they’re all assholes so i don’t have to take a side.

Lob12

Damn that makes it ever harder to follow then. I have enough of the Hamas thread for that.

Kilemall

@Hog said in The OFFICIAL tech stuff thread:

@Lob12 said in The OFFICIAL tech stuff thread:

Can you smart people here summarize for me who are the good/bad guys in this story? I’m kinda too lazy for this one.

I decided a couple of days ago that they’re all assholes so i don’t have to take a side.

When assholes program AI, bad things happen.

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