The OFFICIAL programming thread
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@Hog Sounds like BS. I didn’t see anyone report on that other than one TNNish site that said Musk asked them to “print out their code”. Who the fuck prints anymore and definitely you wouldn’t review code that way. That guy’s Twitter is locked too so maybe he got some backlash? Musk has AI engineers at Tesla, software engineers at SpaceX and probably tons at his other companies. He’s also a micromanager so he more than most other people out there would understand the ins and outs of software engineering.
I minimize my code as well. Like when I can’t figure out how to do something I get pissed off and put the entire thing in the trash and tell my company that the task is impossible based on the data they collect .
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@tigger said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
I don’t think he can really be that stupid…
IBM used to do it apparently. But it was decades ago I think.
This would be code from a star performer at Twitter according to Elon.
console .log( [ "H", "e", "l", "l", "o", " ", "W", "o", "r", "l", "d" ] .join("") );I had a SQL developer working for me in PR that always wrote his statements in 1 long ass line that went like four or five screens off to the right. I kept yelling at him to format it, but he never did. It was funny too because if I asked him something about his logic, he would know basically exactly how many screens to scroll over to find the bit I asked for.
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@tigger said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
I don’t think he can really be that stupid…
I bet if he were a Trump supporter you wouldn’t have said that!
[read the above as tongue-in-cheek]
Ah, but . . .
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/03/musk-trump-twitter-management-style
There are a number of articles circulating comparing ‘Trumpian’ and ‘Muskian’ approaches to style and problem-solving.
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@Gators1 said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@tigger said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
I don’t think he can really be that stupid…
IBM used to do it apparently. But it was decades ago I think.
This would be code from a star performer at Twitter according to Elon.
console .log( [ "H", "e", "l", "l", "o", " ", "W", "o", "r", "l", "d" ] .join("") );I had a SQL developer working for me in PR that always wrote his statements in 1 long ass line that went like four or five screens off to the right. I kept yelling at him to format it, but he never did. It was funny too because if I asked him something about his logic, he would know basically exactly how many screens to scroll over to find the bit I asked for.
Maybe he would’ve formatted it if you asked nicely instead of yelling at him!
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He should have been formatting without me having to ask or yell, but he was a lazy ass millennial. Dude was IMing all day with his womenz and would quickly alt tab back to his IDE when I walked in. I would have got rid of him but my boss loved him for some reason so we subsidized.
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i remember a game that had the most elegant piece of code in it.
format c:
luckily i didnt log in that day but i sure remember the forums lololol
If no set of moral ideas were truer or better than any other, there would be no sense in preferring civilized morality to savage morality, or Christian morality to Nazi morality. In fact, of course, we all do believe that some moralities are better than others . . . . The moment you say that one set of moral ideas can be better than another, you are, in fact, measuring them both by a standard . . . admitting that there is such a thing as a real Right, independent of what people think, and that some people's ideas get nearer to that real Right than others."
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Yeah, I lucked out too. Imagine the press that would have got if it was a mainstream game like COD or something, not some fringe game that nobody heard of.
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Damn. I measure the success of many tasks by how many lines of code I’ve deleted. It’s not uncommon for a pull request of mine to have a negative net lines of code.
In addition to the slackers, if they had any, Elon’s fired anyone who frequently refactors and writes short, elegant and performant routines and he’s probably kept the ones that just increase the companies technical debt each year they are employed.
Wow, I have had reason to doubt Elon’s judgement, but this is a competence thing.
Lines of code can balloon because of inefficiency and inelegance. I want the coder that writes me stuff that runs fast and efficient and safe which is decoupled from number of lines. He’s selecting for bumbly morons for the most part.
This is how Jack Welch ran things at GE and it’s a recipe for backbiting, internal turf fights and in general incentivizing for focus on saving jobs and the wrong metrics. Basically, what’s gotten stupid about corporate governance.
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@Whoofe said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
i remember a game that had the most elegant piece of code in it.
format c:
luckily i didnt log in that day but i sure remember the forums lololol
Friend got hit by that. He wasn’t so keen on the game after that but did learn a lesson on not jumping on the latest updates.
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like, how does that even happen though?
If no set of moral ideas were truer or better than any other, there would be no sense in preferring civilized morality to savage morality, or Christian morality to Nazi morality. In fact, of course, we all do believe that some moralities are better than others . . . . The moment you say that one set of moral ideas can be better than another, you are, in fact, measuring them both by a standard . . . admitting that there is such a thing as a real Right, independent of what people think, and that some people's ideas get nearer to that real Right than others."
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@Whoofe said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
like, how does that even happen though?
If upgrade==‘Success’
Format C: -
When Windows 95 first came out programmers could hide the Format C: command in a program or icon and it would execute it without any confirmation. There was an emergency patch that came out by the end of the week and Microsoft made all publications promise to keep it quiet for several months. Some Greek TV show demonstrated it months later.
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When will you reveal more details?
Well, my best coders tell me it’s a trillion lines of code so it’s going to take a few years.
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
When will you reveal more details?
Well, my best coders tell me it’s a trillion lines of code so it’s going to take a few years.
Basically he has no idea and no plan. When someone tells him something that seems to make sense, he includes it into his plans.
I guess that isn’t that bad if he would keep his mouth shut until all people are done explaining the world he just put himself in to him.
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What kind of ghetto bullshit is this?
Microsoft Excel SUBTOTAL function
Syntax
SUBTOTAL(function_num,ref1,[ref2],…)
The SUBTOTAL function syntax has the following arguments:
Function_num Required. The number 1-11 or 101-111 that specifies the function to use for the subtotal. 1-11 includes manually-hidden rows, while 101-111 excludes them; filtered-out cells are always excluded.To use this function, you’ve got to look up a chart of codes called “Function numbers” (e.g. 101 for “AVERAGE”, 102 for “COUNT” etc) and enter the number into the formula.
Hey Microsoft, the 1980’s are calling and they want their User Experience back.
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
What kind of ghetto bullshit is this?
Microsoft Excel SUBTOTAL function
Syntax
SUBTOTAL(function_num,ref1,[ref2],…)
The SUBTOTAL function syntax has the following arguments:
Function_num Required. The number 1-11 or 101-111 that specifies the function to use for the subtotal. 1-11 includes manually-hidden rows, while 101-111 excludes them; filtered-out cells are always excluded.To use this function, you’ve got to look up a chart of codes called “Function numbers” (e.g. 101 for “AVERAGE”, 102 for “COUNT” etc) and enter it into the formula.
Hey Microsoft, the 1980’s are calling and they want their User Experience back.
Lots of the functions in excel are from the 1980 as that they left as is for compatibility. If they changed it every update then it would break millions of spreadsheets and users who aren’t that technical would be lost.
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@Gators1 said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
What kind of ghetto bullshit is this?
Microsoft Excel SUBTOTAL function
Syntax
SUBTOTAL(function_num,ref1,[ref2],…)
The SUBTOTAL function syntax has the following arguments:
Function_num Required. The number 1-11 or 101-111 that specifies the function to use for the subtotal. 1-11 includes manually-hidden rows, while 101-111 excludes them; filtered-out cells are always excluded.To use this function, you’ve got to look up a chart of codes called “Function numbers” (e.g. 101 for “AVERAGE”, 102 for “COUNT” etc) and enter it into the formula.
Hey Microsoft, the 1980’s are calling and they want their User Experience back.
Lots of the functions in excel are from the 1980 as that they left as is for compatibility. If they changed it every update then it would break millions of spreadsheets and users who aren’t that technical would be lost.
Yeah I dunno about that reasoning. They fucked everyone in the ass in the 90’s with massive changes. You used to be able to do anything and everything Excel could do in a couple of keystrokes via menu shortcuts. A billion macros had to be rewritten when they gave us the god awful ribbon (although they did phase the menu shortcuts out slowly.)
But in any case, it really is an odd animal that does remind me a lot of reaching for manuals to work out how to do a simple task before we had even had GUIs. I don’t how something like it would work in Excel but in a program you’d create constants, like AVERAGE = 101, and you’d just start typing the name and let it suggest it rather than have to remember some obscure number.
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Gators1 said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
What kind of ghetto bullshit is this?
Microsoft Excel SUBTOTAL function
Syntax
SUBTOTAL(function_num,ref1,[ref2],…)
The SUBTOTAL function syntax has the following arguments:
Function_num Required. The number 1-11 or 101-111 that specifies the function to use for the subtotal. 1-11 includes manually-hidden rows, while 101-111 excludes them; filtered-out cells are always excluded.To use this function, you’ve got to look up a chart of codes called “Function numbers” (e.g. 101 for “AVERAGE”, 102 for “COUNT” etc) and enter it into the formula.
Hey Microsoft, the 1980’s are calling and they want their User Experience back.
Lots of the functions in excel are from the 1980 as that they left as is for compatibility. If they changed it every update then it would break millions of spreadsheets and users who aren’t that technical would be lost.
Yeah I dunno about that reasoning. They fucked everyone in the ass in the 90’s with massive changes. You used to be able to do anything and everything Excel could do in a couple of keystrokes via menu shortcuts. A billion macros had to be rewritten when they gave us the god awful ribbon (although they did phase the menu shortcuts out slowly.)
But in any case, it really is an odd animal that does remind me a lot of reaching for manuals to work out how to do a simple task before we had even had GUIs. I don’t how something like it would work in Excel but in a program you’d create constants, like AVERAGE = 101, and you’d just start typing the name and let it suggest it rather than have to remember some obscure number.
The functions exist in the user sheets though. If the numbers go away then the sheets break or they have to write some conversion tool in order to do upgrades and that might not always work. Think about if you got a new release of Python and they changed a bunch of shit in the built in functions. All your code wouldn’t work and you would have to go through each script to update it. Now think about some dumb as ccountant that doesn’t really understand functions and inherited the workbooks that don’t work anymore. Compatibility across releases has always been significant for Excel.
