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'We cannot be radical enough': Attenborough on climate crisis action – video
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cannot be radical enough, eh? maybe some mass genocide would be radical enough? reduce world population and reduce energy demand, yeah that sounds like a nice radical plan. is it radical enough?
Making radical sweeping changes on how we treat the environment in order to delay or stop the ecological collapse does not equate to “mass genocide”
That’s a cop out and a lazy argument.
The world is dying and it’s dying faster than we thought. And it’s happening due to our methods and actions. So we either make huge changes or our species dies out.
The species isn’t going to die out. Civilization as we know it might collapse and many people die, but many will survive and live on. The only way species die out is with some disaster like the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. Pakoons people will live on, but in a tropical paradise like Puerto Rico. The planet was hotter at various times and life thrived in the heat.
We are the midst of one of the fastest and largest mass extinctions in known history. It doesn’t have the pizazz of something like an asteroid, but it is happening. And it absolutely has the potential to kill off the human species. If it isn’t handled the dominoes will continue to fall. The resource system humans require is already falling apart and there is no reason to believe it won’t be completely eradicated if things continue. As water and food scarcity grows, this will create localized conflict that will ravage regions. According to the Water Conflict Chronology data, conflicts have already risen in the last twenty years. As regions destabilize, mass amounts of people will seek to enter more stable countries. Disease and famine will increase heavily. Increased global temperatures will continue to destroy eco systems, sustainability will continue to decrease.
Or even a runaway greenhouse effect? Unlikely i think, but if for some reason sustainable energies went out the window and we started burning fossil fuels completely? Most definitely.
There’s a lot of possibilities. But the hubris to assume that humans cannot go extinct along with everything else going extinct right now…is completely shortsighted.
It’s still not going to kill off the species dude. There will be people left and lots of them, probably living like they did hundreds of years ago. If there was a massive nuclear war then that could kill everyone and everything off. Climate change won’t. Life survived the asteroid hit that completely blocked out the sun for years. Just because the Whole Foods shuts down doesn’t mean everybody dies.
People can’t live without food
And climate change isn’t going to destroy the entire food supply. Millions might die and civilization collapses, but pockets of humanity will live on. They made it through the plague and the ice age and will make it through climate change.
It absolutely could destroy the entire food supply. Whether it does or not is up to whatever technology we establish to combat CO2 levels, or how many forests and jungles we can plant, or if we are able to rid ourselves of fossil fuels completely…and in time.
Here’s a sample scenario:
Insects, currently, are dying off at unprecedented levels. If this continues to such a degree that ecosystems become heavily disrupted, this can very easily cause mass extinctions to fauna and plant life. With insects and plant life dead or dying off, animal species will die off with it. As plant life and animals die off with the lack of insects, disease will become rampant as decomposing of the dead will breed bacteria that will stick around a lot longer than usual. Increased temperatures can help spread this bacteria. This will likely accelerate further extinctions. These mass die-offs will release more CO2, thus heating the globe further. Forests, rainforests, jungles, etc. will collapse as heating rises, bacteria spreads and everything dies. As these eco systems die off, there will be nothing left to combat the CO2 rises and will merely add to it. Global heating will continue to increase unchecked and fast-track the end.
It’s important to note that the dinosaurs didn’t die off because of the asteroids impact, they died off because the plant-life died off (because of the after-effects of the impact) and plant-based food became too scarce for the size of their species.
Da fuq?
Changes to temperature are relative to latitude, the the equatorial regions might be screwed but regions further north not so much. Ecosystems are not that intertwined. What’s devastating in one area might be beneficial to another. Canada, Finland and Russia will probably do fine while Africa, the middle east and Central America are fucked. The dinosaurs died because you had a global deprivation of light which killed the plants, not relative changes in warmth. The smaller life lived on through that shit and therefore there was some kind of food supply. We are not massive creatures and we are also the best equipped animal on the planet to figure out how to adapt to changing ecosystems. Some will survive, but the majority probably won’t given our reliance on modern civilization.
