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    • KilemallK
      Kilemall Careful, railroad agent
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      What do you expect your stripped down Linux phone to be able to do?

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      • GustafG
        Gustaf
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        Record TikTok dance videos.

        "Let's give it a week! Still a disaster? Let's give it another week…" -Tazz

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          oyaji @Kilemall
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          @Kilemall said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

          What do you expect your stripped down Linux phone to be able to do?

          Make phone calls, take photos, and be able to text them.

          Oh, and leave as few tracks as possible.

          © 2015 - 2025 oyaji

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          • KilemallK
            Kilemall Careful, railroad agent @oyaji
            last edited by

            @oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

            @Kilemall said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

            What do you expect your stripped down Linux phone to be able to do?

            Make phone calls, take photos, and be able to text them.

            Oh, and leave as few tracks as possible.

            Well you can cut out the internet which is a lot of tracking, but you’ll have to support the text format and whatever security hoops your phone provider has for that. Plus your camera app.

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              oyaji
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              Are there college kids I could hire to do this sort of thing for me cheaply?

              And will the phone company and teh gummint get mad at me? I want all their bullshit trackers and shit gone.

              And I also want all the hardware inside that I don’t need f’n gone too. I think I have a guy for that already, if I can’t do it myself. I can get old phones dirt cheap or free.

              © 2015 - 2025 oyaji

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              • KilemallK
                Kilemall Careful, railroad agent @oyaji
                last edited by

                @oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

                Are there college kids I could hire to do this sort of thing for me cheaply?

                And will the phone company and teh gummint get mad at me? I want all their bullshit trackers and shit gone.

                They’ll still track your phone usage and likely save off photos. Phone company has to to get the photo to your intended destination, than whatever the government imposes or makes deal for.

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                  oyaji @Kilemall
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                  @Kilemall said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

                  @oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

                  Are there college kids I could hire to do this sort of thing for me cheaply?

                  And will the phone company and teh gummint get mad at me? I want all their bullshit trackers and shit gone.

                  They’ll still track your phone usage and likely save off photos. Phone company has to to get the photo to your intended destination, than whatever the government imposes or makes deal for.

                  None of their business what parts I take pictures of to try to find replacements from dealers across the country. Wish I could stop teh fckrs.

                  © 2015 - 2025 oyaji

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                  • GustafG
                    Gustaf
                    last edited by

                    Buy a film camera.

                    "Let's give it a week! Still a disaster? Let's give it another week…" -Tazz

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                    • KilemallK
                      Kilemall Careful, railroad agent @Gustaf
                      last edited by

                      @Gustaf said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

                      Buy a film camera.

                      I gotta guy in Switzerland…

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                      • GustafG
                        Gustaf
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                        Sweden

                        "Let's give it a week! Still a disaster? Let's give it another week…" -Tazz

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                        • HogH
                          Hog
                          last edited by Hog

                          I know from years of learning other shit that the SmallTalk language has been hugely influential in programming but I’ve never used it or seen it used in the wild and I was curious about it. Turns out there is a modern variant called Pharo that is under active development so I downloaded it and started playing with it last night.

                          SmallTalk is kind of weird and is giving me strong Common Lisp vibes: Stupidly simple syntax and programming in a running state machine (image) where you develop by changing the program while it’s running.

                          Below is what is claimed to be the full syntax of the language:

                          image.png

                          I just love how all this shit exists and is free for anyone to use or play with.

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                          • KilemallK
                            Kilemall Careful, railroad agent @Hog
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                            • HogH
                              Hog
                              last edited by Hog

                              If you can put aside maybe some unfamiliarity with his core argument, the below was a really interesting talk on computer history going back to the 50’s and how we got to where we are with OOP programming as it is mostly practiced today:

                              Casey Muratori – The Big OOPs: Anatomy of a Thirty-five-year Mistake – BSC 2025

                              Trigger warning: he comes out swinging against C++ pretty early so if you like C++ it might piss you off but the core of his argument is really against what calls something like compile time domain modelling of hierarchies - basically deep class hierarchies that model how we think of the world (Vehicle -> Car -> Sports Car). I don’t think the latter is really very controversial anymore since I’ve been hearing “favor composition over inheritance” as being the prevailing wisdom for maybe a decade or longer.

                              Edit: Gemini tells me the “favor composition” advice was in Design Patterns so that goes way back.

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                                oyaji
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                                2½ hour video? Maybe a DL on WiFi in town, sometime.

                                Cliff notes, anyone?

                                © 2015 - 2025 oyaji

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                                • HogH
                                  Hog
                                  last edited by

                                  YouTube shorts: something magical happens

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                                  • KilemallK
                                    Kilemall Careful, railroad agent @Hog
                                    last edited by

                                    @Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

                                    If you can put aside maybe some unfamiliarity with his core argument, the below was a really interesting talk on computer history going back to the 50’s and how we got to where we are with OOP programming as it is mostly practiced today:

                                    Casey Muratori – The Big OOPs: Anatomy of a Thirty-five-year Mistake – BSC 2025

                                    Trigger warning: he comes out swinging against C++ pretty early so if you like C++ it might piss you off but the core of his argument is really against what calls something like compile time domain modelling of hierarchies - basically deep class hierarchies that model how we think of the world (Vehicle -> Car -> Sports Car). I don’t think the latter is really very controversial anymore since I’ve been hearing “favor composition over inheritance” as being the prevailing wisdom for maybe a decade or longer.

                                    Edit: Gemini tells me the “favor composition” advice was in Design Patterns so that goes way back.

                                    Reminds me of the logic behind zero trust- define your security structure and methods/efforts geared towards actual need, not lazy ass assumptions about what box gets whose access.

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                                    • Gators1G
                                      Gators1
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                                      I guess Amazon will have to hire back those 30K people now…

                                      Alexander T. Williams  /  Oct 31

                                      Vibe Coding, Six Months Later: The Honeymoon’s Over

                                      Vibe Coding, Six Months Later: The Honeymoon’s Over

                                      Six months after the hype began, is vibe coding sustainable? We look at the pros and cons, and why blending vibes with structure is key.

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                                      • HogH
                                        Hog @Gators1
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                                        @Gators1

                                        Vibe coding’s strength lies in helping you find direction quickly, but vibe engineering simply isn’t there yet.

                                        “Vibe engineering” being a contradiction in terms might shed some light there.

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                                          Blanks @Hog
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                                          @Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

                                          @Gators1

                                          Vibe coding’s strength lies in helping you find direction quickly, but vibe engineering simply isn’t there yet.

                                          “Vibe engineering” being a contradiction in terms might shed some light there.

                                          Stop trying to harsh our vibe dude

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                                          • KilemallK
                                            Kilemall Careful, railroad agent @Blanks
                                            last edited by

                                            @Blanks said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

                                            @Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:

                                            @Gators1

                                            Vibe coding’s strength lies in helping you find direction quickly, but vibe engineering simply isn’t there yet.

                                            “Vibe engineering” being a contradiction in terms might shed some light there.

                                            Stop trying to harsh our vibe dude

                                            Another gaddam user.

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