The OFFICIAL programming thread
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@oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
booting your own kernel
Now that got my attention.
Is that the sort of thing that is required to defeat surveillance and hacking? I mean, like for a limited feature Android phone and/or Linux laptop? I’ve been wanting that sort of thing since teh 9ty-'leventy.
You know, to be able to go back to the kind of Internet that Al Gore invented, and the kind of phone service that was available back then.
Well that was in the early days of linux, at times you had to compile your own kernel, set variables differently and/or aplly fixes to get other processses working properly. But also to prevent hacking, yes. But even today I believe having a stripped down to the essentials/minimal kernel is the way to go.
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@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
booting your own kernel
Now that got my attention.
Is that the sort of thing that is required to defeat surveillance and hacking? I mean, like for a limited feature Android phone and/or Linux laptop? I’ve been wanting that sort of thing since teh 9ty-'leventy.
You know, to be able to go back to the kind of Internet that Al Gore invented, and the kind of phone service that was available back then.
Well that was in the early days of linux, at times you had to compile your own kernel, set variables differently and/or aplly fixes to get other processses working properly. But also to prevent hacking, yes. But even today I believe having a stripped down to the essentials/minimal kernel is the way to go.
So long SlprSo how can I get a stripped down system on my phone? And laptop? Getting stuck with all that bloatware on Windows was why I wanted Linux in the first place, back around Y2K.
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@oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
booting your own kernel
Now that got my attention.
Is that the sort of thing that is required to defeat surveillance and hacking? I mean, like for a limited feature Android phone and/or Linux laptop? I’ve been wanting that sort of thing since teh 9ty-'leventy.
You know, to be able to go back to the kind of Internet that Al Gore invented, and the kind of phone service that was available back then.
Well that was in the early days of linux, at times you had to compile your own kernel, set variables differently and/or aplly fixes to get other processses working properly. But also to prevent hacking, yes. But even today I believe having a stripped down to the essentials/minimal kernel is the way to go.
So long SlprSo how can I get a stripped down system on my phone? And laptop? Getting stuck with all that bloatware on Windows was why I wanted Linux in the first place, back around Y2K.
Have not done Android myself yet, but it is possible. HowTo For your laptop it depends on your distribution, there are several great websites for that. For example kernelnewbies or archlinux.
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@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
booting your own kernel
Now that got my attention.
Is that the sort of thing that is required to defeat surveillance and hacking? I mean, like for a limited feature Android phone and/or Linux laptop? I’ve been wanting that sort of thing since teh 9ty-'leventy.
You know, to be able to go back to the kind of Internet that Al Gore invented, and the kind of phone service that was available back then.
Well that was in the early days of linux, at times you had to compile your own kernel, set variables differently and/or aplly fixes to get other processses working properly. But also to prevent hacking, yes. But even today I believe having a stripped down to the essentials/minimal kernel is the way to go.
So long SlprSo how can I get a stripped down system on my phone? And laptop? Getting stuck with all that bloatware on Windows was why I wanted Linux in the first place, back around Y2K.
Have not done Android myself yet, but it is possible. HowTo For your laptop it depends on your distribution, there are several great websites for that. For example kernelnewbies or archlinux.
So long SlprIs it possible I will live long enough to complete this?
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@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
booting your own kernel
Now that got my attention.
Is that the sort of thing that is required to defeat surveillance and hacking? I mean, like for a limited feature Android phone and/or Linux laptop? I’ve been wanting that sort of thing since teh 9ty-'leventy.
You know, to be able to go back to the kind of Internet that Al Gore invented, and the kind of phone service that was available back then.
Well that was in the early days of linux, at times you had to compile your own kernel, set variables differently and/or aplly fixes to get other processses working properly. But also to prevent hacking, yes. But even today I believe having a stripped down to the essentials/minimal kernel is the way to go.
So long SlprMy remembery was it was very useful for customizing your kernel to do exactly what you needed and not waste cycles doing generic OS busywork. Significant benefits.
Then yes things like dual core had to be recompiled in.
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What do you expect your stripped down Linux phone to be able to do?
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Record TikTok dance videos.
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@Kilemall said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
What do you expect your stripped down Linux phone to be able to do?
Make phone calls, take photos, and be able to text them.
Oh, and leave as few tracks as possible.
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@oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Kilemall said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
What do you expect your stripped down Linux phone to be able to do?
Make phone calls, take photos, and be able to text them.
Oh, and leave as few tracks as possible.
Well you can cut out the internet which is a lot of tracking, but you’ll have to support the text format and whatever security hoops your phone provider has for that. Plus your camera app.
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Are there college kids I could hire to do this sort of thing for me cheaply?
And will the phone company and teh gummint get mad at me? I want all their bullshit trackers and shit gone.
And I also want all the hardware inside that I don’t need f’n gone too. I think I have a guy for that already, if I can’t do it myself. I can get old phones dirt cheap or free.
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@oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Are there college kids I could hire to do this sort of thing for me cheaply?
And will the phone company and teh gummint get mad at me? I want all their bullshit trackers and shit gone.
They’ll still track your phone usage and likely save off photos. Phone company has to to get the photo to your intended destination, than whatever the government imposes or makes deal for.
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@Kilemall said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@oyaji said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Are there college kids I could hire to do this sort of thing for me cheaply?
And will the phone company and teh gummint get mad at me? I want all their bullshit trackers and shit gone.
They’ll still track your phone usage and likely save off photos. Phone company has to to get the photo to your intended destination, than whatever the government imposes or makes deal for.
None of their business what parts I take pictures of to try to find replacements from dealers across the country. Wish I could stop teh fckrs.
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Buy a film camera.
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Sweden
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I know from years of learning other shit that the SmallTalk language has been hugely influential in programming but I’ve never used it or seen it used in the wild and I was curious about it. Turns out there is a modern variant called Pharo that is under active development so I downloaded it and started playing with it last night.
SmallTalk is kind of weird and is giving me strong Common Lisp vibes: Stupidly simple syntax and programming in a running state machine (image) where you develop by changing the program while it’s running.
Below is what is claimed to be the full syntax of the language:
I just love how all this shit exists and is free for anyone to use or play with.
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If you can put aside maybe some unfamiliarity with his core argument, the below was a really interesting talk on computer history going back to the 50’s and how we got to where we are with OOP programming as it is mostly practiced today:
Trigger warning: he comes out swinging against C++ pretty early so if you like C++ it might piss you off but the core of his argument is really against what calls something like compile time domain modelling of hierarchies - basically deep class hierarchies that model how we think of the world (Vehicle -> Car -> Sports Car). I don’t think the latter is really very controversial anymore since I’ve been hearing “favor composition over inheritance” as being the prevailing wisdom for maybe a decade or longer.
Edit: Gemini tells me the “favor composition” advice was in Design Patterns so that goes way back.
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2½ hour video? Maybe a DL on WiFi in town, sometime.
Cliff notes, anyone?
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Casey Muratori – The Big OOPs: Anatomy of a Thirty-five-year Mistake – BSC 2025