The OFFICIAL programming thread
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Jam said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Here’s a chance for Hog and/or Gators to help me out!
We manage a number of systems on a governmental network and gradually they are seeking to manage everything for “security reasons.”
There are three problems with their approach:
- We lose revenue when we turn over management to them.
- We have 4-hour response times whereas they are lucky to repair outages in a week or a month.
- The end users are dissatisfied with internal support as it truly sucks.
The users and our Contract Manager will go to bat for us, but here is where I can use some help.
They use Trellix and Ivanti to manage Windows systems, but they are helpless when it comes to Unix or Linux.
We are going to develop “anything but Windows” solutions in the future but this takes time.
Probably a question for Hog . . .
If we want to run native Windows 10 or Windows 11 systems in a Linux environment, what do you feel is the best way to begin testing.
This is a dark site, so no cloud solutions will be entertained, of course.
Virtual Assistant suggested:
Running Windows Applications on Linux
You can run native Windows applications on a Linux system using several methods. Each method has its own advantages and limitations.
Wine is mentioned .
Virtualization using VirtualBox or VMWare were suggested.
We are somewhat familiar with VMWare, but have no experience with Linux.
It’s high time we learned.
Ideas?
Wine (if it works) or virtualization are both the options. The first will be more integrated with the host Linux system (maybe not a concern at all) the second doesn’t give you much advantage over just running Windows unless there’s another reason to run Linux on the host.
Best way is to just get in and try it / start using Linux but I don’t know enough about your scenario to make an intelligent contribution.
Ummm…in consulting you get the money up front before giving a solution. Then never ever admit you don’t understand the client’s use case. Just make up some bullshit and take the money and run.
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Best way is to just get in and try it / start using Linux but I don’t know enough about your scenario to make an intelligent contribution.
Making this a separate reply because an edit might be missed:
Best way to --> get familiar with and learn Linux <-- is to get in and try it / start using it. Not sure it’s a great idea to learn with something that is critical or that could have financial and legal implications because you are contractually responsible for supporting it.
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Best way is to just get in and try it / start using Linux but I don’t know enough about your scenario to make an intelligent contribution.
Making this a separate reply because an edit might be missed:
Best way to --> get familiar with and learn Linux <-- is to get in and try it / start using it. Not sure it’s a great idea to learn with something that is critical or that could have financial and legal implications because you are contractually responsible for supporting it.
WTF dude??? If he gets sued then we can charge him double!!!
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@Gators1 said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Big AWS outage today. Didn’t affect my group fortunately, but the number of companies that had outages showed how few are using multiregion strategies to ensure uptime. Also I might have mentioned this before, but I live like 5 miles from US-EAST-1 and got a ping of like 3 on a game hosted there. Not today obviously.
Me:
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Best way is to just get in and try it / start using Linux but I don’t know enough about your scenario to make an intelligent contribution.
Making this a separate reply because an edit might be missed:
Best way to --> get familiar with and learn Linux <-- is to get in and try it / start using it. Not sure it’s a great idea to learn with something that is critical or that could have financial and legal implications because you are contractually responsible for supporting it.
Let me ask you this, you’re old enough, have you ever even build your own kernel?
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@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Best way is to just get in and try it / start using Linux but I don’t know enough about your scenario to make an intelligent contribution.
Making this a separate reply because an edit might be missed:
Best way to --> get familiar with and learn Linux <-- is to get in and try it / start using it. Not sure it’s a great idea to learn with something that is critical or that could have financial and legal implications because you are contractually responsible for supporting it.
Let me ask you this, you’re old enough, have you ever even build your own kernel?
So long SlprNah, the biggest thing like that that I ever attempted was writing my own language, parser and compiler in Rust. Didn’t finish it (I mean, it worked but was missing half the features I wanted) but I learned a lot doing it.
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Best way is to just get in and try it / start using Linux but I don’t know enough about your scenario to make an intelligent contribution.
Making this a separate reply because an edit might be missed:
Best way to --> get familiar with and learn Linux <-- is to get in and try it / start using it. Not sure it’s a great idea to learn with something that is critical or that could have financial and legal implications because you are contractually responsible for supporting it.
It’s not going to be used to keep a plane in the air.
It’s a voice/data retrieval and transcription system.
The idea (if we can make it work) is to isolate the Windows O/S from the network.
Something like this may work:
https://www.xda-developers.com/docker-wine-weird-container-run-windows-programs-on-linux/
It’s going to be a learning curve.
Will dig deeper.
The potential need just surfaced today.
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I got Lithu to move this thread, wow put me on the cover of Time magazine!
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@Lob12 said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
I got Lithu to move this thread, wow put me on the cover of Time magazine!
As long as it has the same super-duper stealth/invisible security protection as our most secure threads, I’m OK with the move. ;-)
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@Lob12 said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
I got Lithu to move this thread, wow put me on the cover of Time magazine!
You done fucked up:
@Lob12 said in The Official fuck Windows 11/Microsoft Thread:
My thread is the biggest official tech thread!! Woohoo!!
Not any more
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Its alright the user who made this thread is gone for good. So its everybody’s thread now.
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Best way is to just get in and try it / start using Linux but I don’t know enough about your scenario to make an intelligent contribution.
Making this a separate reply because an edit might be missed:
Best way to --> get familiar with and learn Linux <-- is to get in and try it / start using it. Not sure it’s a great idea to learn with something that is critical or that could have financial and legal implications because you are contractually responsible for supporting it.
Let me ask you this, you’re old enough, have you ever even build your own kernel?
So long SlprNah, the biggest thing like that that I ever attempted was writing my own language, parser and compiler in Rust. Didn’t finish it (I mean, it worked but was missing half the features I wanted) but I learned a lot doing it.
Missing features is kinda like building a house without a roof.
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Best way is to just get in and try it / start using Linux but I don’t know enough about your scenario to make an intelligent contribution.
Making this a separate reply because an edit might be missed:
Best way to --> get familiar with and learn Linux <-- is to get in and try it / start using it. Not sure it’s a great idea to learn with something that is critical or that could have financial and legal implications because you are contractually responsible for supporting it.
Let me ask you this, you’re old enough, have you ever even build your own kernel?
So long SlprNah, the biggest thing like that that I ever attempted was writing my own language, parser and compiler in Rust. Didn’t finish it (I mean, it worked but was missing half the features I wanted) but I learned a lot doing it.
No no, you misconstrued, I did not mean to write your own kernel, I meant compile one or a couple thereof to your needs (from scratch at best).
So long Slpr -
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Best way is to just get in and try it / start using Linux but I don’t know enough about your scenario to make an intelligent contribution.
Making this a separate reply because an edit might be missed:
Best way to --> get familiar with and learn Linux <-- is to get in and try it / start using it. Not sure it’s a great idea to learn with something that is critical or that could have financial and legal implications because you are contractually responsible for supporting it.
Let me ask you this, you’re old enough, have you ever even build your own kernel?
So long SlprNah, the biggest thing like that that I ever attempted was writing my own language, parser and compiler in Rust. Didn’t finish it (I mean, it worked but was missing half the features I wanted) but I learned a lot doing it.
No no, you misconstrued, I did not mean to write your own kernel, I meant compile one or a couple thereof to your needs (from scratch at best).
So long SlprAh okay. No, not yet. I keep meaning to work through Linux From Scratch one day but haven’t got there yet.
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@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Slpr said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
@Hog said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Best way is to just get in and try it / start using Linux but I don’t know enough about your scenario to make an intelligent contribution.
Making this a separate reply because an edit might be missed:
Best way to --> get familiar with and learn Linux <-- is to get in and try it / start using it. Not sure it’s a great idea to learn with something that is critical or that could have financial and legal implications because you are contractually responsible for supporting it.
Let me ask you this, you’re old enough, have you ever even build your own kernel?
So long SlprNah, the biggest thing like that that I ever attempted was writing my own language, parser and compiler in Rust. Didn’t finish it (I mean, it worked but was missing half the features I wanted) but I learned a lot doing it.
No no, you misconstrued, I did not mean to write your own kernel, I meant compile one or a couple thereof to your needs (from scratch at best).
So long SlprAh okay. No, not yet. I keep meaning to work through Linux From Scratch one day but haven’t got there yet.
No worries, but it is gratifying booting your own kernel for the first time, not that I went that far building a whole business backbone out of a self compiling distribution like @rote7 did when he worked for a local cable company.
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This is the most interesting thread ever!*
"Let's give it a week! Still a disaster? Let's give it another week…" -Tazz
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@Gustaf said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
This is the most interesting thread ever!*
I’m curious. How would you know what an interesting thread looks like?
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@Jam said in The OFFICIAL programming thread:
Here’s a chance for Hog and/or Gators to help me out!
We manage a number of systems on a governmental network and gradually they are seeking to manage everything for “security reasons.”
There are three problems with their approach:
- We lose revenue when we turn over management to them.
- We have 4-hour response times whereas they are lucky to repair outages in a week or a month.
- The end users are dissatisfied with internal support as it truly sucks.
The users and our Contract Manager will go to bat for us, but here is where I can use some help.
They use Trellix and Ivanti to manage Windows systems, but they are helpless when it comes to Unix or Linux.
We are going to develop “anything but Windows” solutions in the future but this takes time.
Probably a question for Hog . . .
If we want to run native Windows 10 or Windows 11 systems in a Linux environment, what do you feel is the best way to begin testing.
This is a dark site, so no cloud solutions will be entertained, of course.
Virtual Assistant suggested:
Running Windows Applications on Linux
You can run native Windows applications on a Linux system using several methods. Each method has its own advantages and limitations.
Wine is mentioned .
Virtualization using VirtualBox or VMWare were suggested.
We are somewhat familiar with VMWare, but have no experience with Linux.
It’s high time we learned.
Ideas?
98% of our windows servers are VMware. Far cheaper and more importantly readily DR capable due to the vmotion utility. However for actual Linux and Unix we put those on separate virtual machine platforms specific to that side along with dedicated Unix admins.
US-EAST-1 is humanity’s weakest link…
